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RE-AIR 40: Devil and the Details


Grant tells Maia about the rarest fish in the world, found in the strangest of places. An episode about the Devil’s Hole Pupfish and Devils Hole, located in Death Valley National Park. With wild conservation showdowns, unexpected legal dramas, and a touch of irreverent humor, this episode is your invitation to uncover nature’s most astonishing secrets. Join us as we peel back the layers of a hidden ecosystem whose delicate balance has sparked multimillion-dollar court battles and fierce debates among local ranchers and environmentalists. Discover how these tiny survivors have defied extinction in a world where every detail counts, and hear jaw-dropping accounts of daring divers and unforeseen tragedies deep beneath the desert. We learn more about Ash Meadow, the legal rights of a tiny fish, and the many strange occurrences that have been documented at Devil’s Hole. A podcast episode that will leave you enchanted with the oddity of fish in the desert.


Photos/Videos Referenced:

National Park Service aquatic ecologist Kevin Wilson going down to Devil's Hold - courtesy of Brian ven der Brug/LA Times
National Park Service aquatic ecologist Kevin Wilson going down to Devil's Hold - courtesy of Brian ven der Brug/LA Times
Pupfish - courtesy of the US Fish and Wildlife Service
Pupfish - courtesy of the US Fish and Wildlife Service
Fish Biologists in SCUBA gear for underwater pupfish counts - courtesy of USFWS/Olin Feuerbacher via NPS
Fish Biologists in SCUBA gear for underwater pupfish counts - courtesy of USFWS/Olin Feuerbacher via NPS

Mexico earthquake caused waves at California's Death Valley - courtesy of BNO News via YouTube


Devil's Hole Vandalism on April 30, 2016 - courtesy of DeathValleyNP via YouTube

Illustration of Devil's Hole based on Jim Houtz's original map rendering - courtesy of Jim Houtz's collection via PBS
Illustration of Devil's Hole based on Jim Houtz's original map rendering - courtesy of Jim Houtz's collection via PBS

Chapters/Key takeaways to listen for

  • [0:00:00] Catch-Up

  • [0:28:32] Devil in the Details: Exploration of the world's rarest fish and its unique ecosystem

  • [0:45:05] Incident at Devil's Hole in 1965: Tragic diving accident with four young men in the mysterious cave

  • [0:56:45] Charles Manson's Connection to Devil's Hole: Manson's obsession with the cave as a potential underground sanctuary

  • [1:01:44] Protection and Incidents at Devil's Hole: Efforts to protect the rare pupfish from human interference

  • [1:06:18] Seismic Activity and Unknown Depths: Mysterious cave system that responds to distant earthquakes

  • [1:16:36] Challenges and Protective Measures for the Fish: Struggles to maintain the pupfish population and preserve their habitat

  • [1:20:02] Attempts to Breed the Fish in Captivity: Multiple failed efforts to create sustainable populations outside Devil's Hole

  • [1:28:41] Efforts to Save the Fish and Legal Challenges: Legal battles and massive investments to protect the endangered species

  • [1:39:17] Exploration of the Cave System and Final Thoughts: Speculating about the unexplored depths and conservation importance


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